tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-208401365281331903.post8797880590215826203..comments2023-09-20T11:31:54.194-04:00Comments on Rabble Rouser Ruminations: Briefly...Rabble Rouser Reverend Amyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14965609706204555067noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-208401365281331903.post-63263024011917204852008-06-10T20:50:00.000-04:002008-06-10T20:50:00.000-04:00Hey, Traveler -I a kinda surprised to read that yo...Hey, Traveler -<BR/><BR/>I a kinda surprised to read that you are a gay man, and support Obama, to tell you the truth, given his close associations with James Meeks and Donnie McClurkin, two men who are ACTIVELY anti-gay. These are long-standing relationships, and James Meeks even has ads for Obama. No one has been a more stalwart supporter of our community than Clinton, I have to say.<BR/><BR/>But, sure - we can talk more. As you know, I am on vacation now, and am only checking in sporadically. Once I get back home we can talk more, okay?<BR/><BR/>And I am sorry his has been hard on you. I can say likewise - if you have read this blog for any length of time at al, you will know the complete pain of seeing such n incredibly competent wman be treated with such utter contempt. It was painful to see Clinto treated like that, and painful to see how far we have NOT come...<BR/><BR/>Anywho -I'll be in touch when I get home.<BR/><BR/>Take care.Rabble Rouser Reverend Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14965609706204555067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-208401365281331903.post-66159888110154978012008-06-10T02:21:00.000-04:002008-06-10T02:21:00.000-04:00Rabble Rouser can you please email me at my home a...Rabble Rouser can you please email me at my home addy so that I can respond to your comments? I would like to begin a dialogue with you about this. I would like for us to have an honest discussion and continue what we have started. As a gay man I have a great deal of opinions regarding both candidates and I would like to share some of them with you in private. <BR/><BR/>I would like to stress again that i am not attempting to "convert" you but just to have an open dialoge with you about this. When I read this particular post it really made me sad about the hard feelings between our two camps. The tears that it brought forth in me took me by surprise. I would like to give you more of my perspective in private if you are comfortable with that.<BR/><BR/>I look forward to hearing from you anytime at: travelingman.rick@gmail.com<BR/>I look forward to hearing from you and hope to talk with you more soon.Travelingman Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044448017559143638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-208401365281331903.post-12618114893138675952008-06-09T15:57:00.000-04:002008-06-09T15:57:00.000-04:00Hey, Traveling Man:Thanks for coming by!I complete...Hey, Traveling Man:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for coming by!<BR/><BR/>I completely disagree with you abt MI. Obama WILLINGLY took himself off the ballot there because he knew he was going to lose badly to Clinton, and to increase his standing with Iowa. This has been WELL documented, along with his attempts to get others to join him. So, I am not going to waste a whole lo of time on this, but to say that once he DID do that, John Conyers campaigned for people who wanted Obama to vote uncommitted,a recognized presidential candidate in MI. To then TAKE DELEGATES from Clinton wsa theft. There is simply no other way to look at it. She had 55% of the vote,a nd delegates were taken FROM her to give to HIM. The use of "exit polls" to give him more was absurd- they have been NOTORIOUSLY poor this year. Frankly, with that kind of "logic," they may as well have called the Psychic Hotline. Really. It was thft.<BR/><BR/>My point abtObama's comment is his asserting that Pro-choice Progressives do not understand how painful a decision abortion is. That is INCREDIBLY insulting. How do you not get that? Of COURSE we know it is painful, and difficult! As a woman, I CERTAINLY know that. It was an homage to right-wingers, and I think that is a fair point.<BR/><BR/>I cannot and will not vote for someone who used sexism and race-baiting to get where he is, along with the theft of certified votes. Sorry - as a minister, who also specialied in ethics, it is a line I refuse to cross. Add to that the blatantly homophobic people with whom Obama surrounds himself, and I refust to conone that behavior, just as I refuse to condone the horrendou behavior of the DNC.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the DNC is fracturing - and they have only themselves to blame.<BR/><BR/>Sorry if this sounds terse - I am actually on vacation, and my nephew has an online class in 3 inutes so I am hurrying! THe tone isn't intended to be, I assure you, I am just trying to be FAST!!<BR/><BR/>Take care.Rabble Rouser Reverend Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14965609706204555067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-208401365281331903.post-49114569154371624272008-06-08T07:56:00.000-04:002008-06-08T07:56:00.000-04:00Hi Amy,Thanks for your kind response to my previou...Hi Amy,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your kind response to my previous comment. I watched Hillary's speech today and was quite awed by it. Having watched pretty much every single piece on TV this season since Iowa I have to say I think it was her best ever.<BR/><BR/>I have to respectfully disagree about Florida and Michigan. While the outcome may not have been what HRC would have chosen the Florida compromise was unanimous. The reasoning for the half votes was to insure that no other states would try to go against party rules in the future. <BR/><BR/>Michigan is a whole nother story. As a former resident of that state I have both family and friends there and am proud to call Michigan my home, having grown up in Detroit. When talking to my peeps up there none of them bothered to vote in the primary because everyone told them it would not count. Not one of them voted! My BBF who I have known for 30 years votes in every election and she stayed home.<BR/><BR/>The MI primary was flawed for many reasons and the DNC did the best they could to insure that the delegates could be seated. Because the election was flawed and because so many people stayed home IMHO I felt the best solution was a 50/50 split with half votes. I know you will disagree but the undecideds voted for someone. Carl Levin my former Senator came up with the idea to split them the way that the DNC finally agreed to. Was it perfect? No, but the election was not perfect either. <BR/><BR/>I really am not ranting here and not trying to give you a hard sell. All I hope for is that at some point you can step back from your anger about the outcome and look at this particular issue in depth.<BR/><BR/>The other question I have is about the Roe v. Wade thing. How is it that that is a republican talking point? What hurts my feelings about your comment regarding this is that as a GWM I have never had a dog in that fight yet my whole life as a voter I have used this one issue as a deciding factor in who I vote for. EG: 2000 election, I was leaning toward McCain, but voted for Gore based on this one issue. (I thought Gore was too liberal, in hindsight I did the right thing.) I too have taken a friend to the hospital who had an abortion and have also been there and supported another friend who had her baby and gave it up for adoption. <BR/><BR/>If you can't vote for Obama I pray that you will at least vote for Nader, anybody but McCain. I am going to keep visiting your blog to say hello and to let you know I am thinking about you down here in NC. <BR/><BR/>This has been the hardest primary I have ever seen in my adult life, alot of things were said on both sides that were hurtful. My greatest hope is that we can all at some point resolve that the greater good of this country of ours is more important than our idividual selves. <BR/><BR/>My heart breaks for our party right now and for those of us like you and I who care so much about our candidates yet seem at such an impasse. <BR/><BR/>I wish you much peace and happiness and nothing but kindness. Have a great day and again remember this guy down in NC is thinking about all of you.Travelingman Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044448017559143638noreply@blogger.com